POLL: Do You Think It’s Necessary To Ban Books, No Matter What The Content, In School?
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| Posted: May 28, 2008 8:58 p.m. - Subject: POLL: Do You Think It’s Necessary To Ban Books, No Matter What The Content, In School? |
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| Posted: May 28, 2008 9:17 p.m. - Subject: |
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It depends only on the content. A book such s as the Kama Sutra, should not be allowed at school, but only because of the sexual nature of it.
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| Posted: May 28, 2008 9:48 p.m. - Subject: |
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Quote: No Matter What The Content, In School?
Quote: It Depends On The Content.
huh?
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| Posted: May 29, 2008 12:46 a.m. - Subject: |
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I am confused as to what you are asking.
Do you mean do I think they should ban every book in school?
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| Posted: May 29, 2008 2:54 a.m. - Subject: |
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There are certain books that should be withheld due to their content being too mature for the age of the students in question. As the students get further along in school less will have to be banned because they will (might) be mature enough to handle it.
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| Posted: May 29, 2008 4:42 a.m. - Subject: |
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i had a Kama Sutra pop up book when i was 5
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| Posted: May 29, 2008 11:01 a.m. - Subject: |
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No, they shouldn’t be banned. Trying to control what kids read is akin to brainwashing them. This is supposed to be a free country, let them decide what they want to expose themselves to.
You don’t have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
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| Posted: May 29, 2008 1:36 p.m. - Subject: |
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Quote: You don’t have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
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| Posted: May 29, 2008 2:17 p.m. - Subject: |
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Quote: No, they shouldn’t be banned. Trying to control what kids read is akin to brainwashing them. This is supposed to be a free country, let them decide what they want to expose themselves to.
You don’t have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
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You have taken that out of context, it is not a general ban, as the title suggests it is about school age children. They will be able to read all of the things later in life when they are older and able to handle the subject matter from a more mature point of view.
The books are not banned for anything else than the persons age. You will find that that is a universal thing. It has nothing to do with censorship. Age will always be a factor as the young cannot be subjected to some things before they are ready, and the young will never be the ones to say when they are ready as they are not old or mature enough to be expected to make such important decisions.
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| Posted: May 29, 2008 3:48 p.m. - Subject: |
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Quote: No, they shouldn’t be banned. Trying to control what kids read is akin to brainwashing them. This is supposed to be a free country, let them decide what they want to expose themselves to.
You don’t have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.
--Ray Bradbury
Just a question, did you read Fahrenheit 451? Great book.
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| Posted: May 29, 2008 6:05 p.m. - Subject: |
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Yeah, shit. This was a little late. I didn’t mean to have that extra snippet in the title, my bad. My head was still kind of in the "concert" mind-set from last night.
Quote: Do you mean do I think they should ban every book in school?
No, just certain books that people feel might destroy our children’s youth. Things that people get up in arms over everyday.
Quote: There are certain books that should be withheld due to their content being too mature for the age of the students in question. As the students get further along in school less will have to be banned because they will (might) be mature enough to handle it.
I’m talking more-so about middle-school/high school students when you actually have to start reading books for course curriculum that is based on what the teacher suggests or feels need to be taught in school.
Quote: No, they shouldn’t be banned. Trying to control what kids read is akin to brainwashing them. This is supposed to be a free country, let them decide what they want to expose themselves to.
That’s how I feel. I mean, if the kids are in middle/high school, they should be able to read whatever they want in school as long as they can comprehend what the book is about and it isn’t above their reading level (academic-wise).
Quote: The books are not banned for anything else than the persons age. You will find that that is a universal thing. It has nothing to do with censorship. Age will always be a factor as the young cannot be subjected to some things before they are ready, and the young will never be the ones to say when they are ready as they are not old or mature enough to be expected to make such important decisions.
The thing is though is that the only places I really see people trying to ban books is in the South, and that’s just based on the principle of religion. I hate how people try to take a fictorious (I believe that’s the correct term) work created by someone and turn it into something that kids are going to do in real life. People are just trying to push the blame on something else if their kid is a bad child or was raised poorly. That, and they always need to move onto bitching about something in society that goes against at least one group of people’s beliefs or morals.
Also, I feel if this really affects people enough, then they should just start putting ratings on books like they have for movies and video games. That way you’d still be able to read it and people would know that it’s for a certain demographic, but they can’t really do anything about it if your parents decided that you could have it. I know this sounds like a ridiculous idea, but it seems like the only thing that would even relatively work to try to get people to shut up about the "inappropriate content" of books.
We had to read Catcher In The Rye earlier this trimester, and that’s what really sparked this. I know most people have read it, but we had to argue whether we thought the book should be banned or not. It was great because no one in my class (until they started joking around by playing "Devil’s Advocate") felt the book needed to be banned. I did some more research and then found out how many books were actually banned in a bunch of schools all across the U.S.
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| Posted: May 30, 2008 7:36 a.m. - Subject: |
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I meant to say no.
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| Posted: May 31, 2008 3:39 p.m. - Subject: |
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The Catcher In The Rye was controversial because it included "goddamn" and "Chrissakes" in the dialog. Today, some blowhards like to point to Holden Caufield an an example of the stereotypical whiny liberal bogeyman who weakens America with his whiny liberalishness. Or something like that.
It is necessary to ban books from school libraries sometimes. It silences the busybodies, like a pacifier to a baby, while not doing much to stop the spread of the ideas in said book. Maybe your school has banned the book, and your backwoods, jerkwater town only has coloring books in the public library. But you’re in high school, perhaps? You’ve heard of Amazon.com, right? How long after your 18th birthday are you planning on sticking around?
But you need to understand the Christian Noise Machine (TM). Their faith is so weak they need constant reminders, like being told "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays" by the minimum wage earning peons at Crap-Mart. The Christian Noise Machine (TM) must operate as a group; individuals cannot be trusted. Rather than saying "I like you because you’re just... I don’t know... a really good friend and fun to be around, the Noise Machine centers around "I like you because we both love Jesus!"
Once that’s established, the group can do anything, no matter how extreme, to keep reaffirming "loving Jesus." A true friend would want to talk thing over before acting, but since the Noise Machine (TM) is all about Jesus and that good stuff, questioning your peers’ actions would be tantamount to questioning the entire basis of the friendship. Too much thinking involved; that’s simply not done.
So they love the idea that some outsider wants to take away their faith. Out comes the righteous indignation, the hundreds of identical letters to the newspaper, the withdrawing of support for political candidates, and so on.
So, you let them ban Harry Potter or whatever, instruct your employees to say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy Holidays," pat them on their heads, give them a glass of lemonade, and call it a day. Because denying this little bit of power would only feed their persecution complex.
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| Posted: Jun 01, 2008 12:23 a.m. - Subject: |
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Quote: It is necessary to ban books from school libraries sometimes. It silences the busybodies, like a pacifier to a baby, while not doing much to stop the spread of the ideas in said book. Maybe your school has banned the book, and your backwoods, jerkwater town only has coloring books in the public library. But you’re in high school, perhaps? You’ve heard of Amazon.com, right? How long after your 18th birthday are you planning on sticking around?
Everyone that I know in our grade enjoyed the book at least somewhat. I’m from the North, therefore it wasn’t banned in my school. I’m talking about it being banned in the South (usually where the majority of books are banned anyways), and why they are.
I completely agree with the latter half of your post though. That’s why I proposed a so called "rating system" since we have one for just about everything else now-a-days.
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| Posted: Jun 01, 2008 6:32 a.m. - Subject: |
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Although I see your point with the "rating system" I don’t think the schools need any more things to police as they have enough as it is. They are already babysitters for Americas children, so let the parents make this call. The parents can buy any book ever printed if they feel their child should have it. It’s not the schools/gov’ts place to allow something the parents won’t allow.
Again these are not banned from the general population, just from underage school children in the schools. They are still welcome to get these things outside of the school, but then it won’t be the schools fault for supplying them to the children.
This is a perfectly good solution to force the parents take control of their own children’s upbringing and not make it the school’s problem. They’ll be the first to complain if there’s a problem, so don’t make it available at all and there will be no decision for the school to make.
Bottom line, it’s the parent’s decision, not the school’s or even a public library’s.
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| Posted: Jun 11, 2008 10:52 a.m. - Subject: |
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Meh, "mature" books should not be allowed but then again books like Harry Potter shouldn’t be banned because of "witchcraft"
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| Posted: Jun 12, 2008 10:57 p.m. - Subject: |
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Ban all books temporarily to see what happens, surely everyone would object and it’ll bring the point across that if everyone got whatever book they didn’t like banned, there wouldn’t be any books left to read. In the end, everyone that has objections will come to the conclusion that book banning will not work. And there will be no more debate over what books are allowed in school or not.
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| Posted: Jul 03, 2008 2:01 p.m. - Subject: HELL NO! |
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Why ban books? People can read what they want, And its unconstitutional to censor books or other media in public places in the US. First amendment Biotches!
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| Posted: Jul 04, 2008 2:51 p.m. - Subject: |
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left_hand makes some very good points for the other side and I can certainly sympathize, but I am still of the persuasion that knowledge (of any kind) should be free for everyone (of any age group).
As for the point about books being banned only in school so that blame must fall on the parents....
A school is just that, an educational institute that should provide it’s students with an unbridled selection of information. If the parents decide that a book is inappropriate for their child and their child reads it at school then that is their problem because they lack the disciplinary skills (or opinion-molding skills, whichever way you’d like to look at it) to prevent them from doing so. The book will always be available somewhere; making it harder to find is not the answer, making your child understand why they aren’t allowed to read it is.
You can’t blame a school for the same reason that you can’t blame a public library or a book store; the child chose to read/buy the book (mandatory reading for a certain class would most definitely be excepted) while the school/store/etc merely provided it (in some instances without charge) for those who are restriction-free.
Quote: Bottom line, it’s the parent’s decision, not the school’s or even a public library’s.
If it is their decision to restrict their child then it is their responsibility to enforce that rule (not the school’s, public library’s, etc).
Quote: Age will always be a factor as the young cannot be subjected to some things before they are ready, and the young will never be the ones to say when they are ready as they are not old or mature enough to be expected to make such important decisions.
I don’t agree with that in the least.
I was uncensored as a young child and I am better off because of it.
Quote: It is necessary to ban books from school libraries sometimes. It silences the busybodies, like a pacifier to a baby, while not doing much to stop the spread of the ideas in said book.
People like that won’t be pacified. No matter what books you ban there will always be one more that is inappropriate out there.
Quote: fictorious (I believe that’s the correct term)
Only since you expressed your doubt...
The word you’re looking for is fictitious.
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| Posted: Jul 05, 2008 4:08 p.m. - Subject: |
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Quote: I don’t agree with that in the least.
I was uncensored as a young child and I am better off because of it.
Thank You. I feel the exact same way. It didn’t do me any harm. In fact, it better prepared me for life. If you shelter your kids for too long they end up like the main character of the movie "Bubble Boy".
Quote: Only since you expressed your doubt...
The word you’re looking for is fictitious.
I thought so too because I have a good grasp of my vocabulary, but my friend told me he was talking with some kid who used the word "fictitious" and my friend tried to pass that kid off as an idiot saying that that’s not an actual word. I was going to argue that it was and that he was wrong, but I didn’t feel like putting any fight behind it. Oh well...
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