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i think its al right, the kids not really a kid, its an unborn fetus. If we call that murder, than is simply using a condom murder too, since that prevents a baby being born? (catholics suck ass)
however, i do not believe it is a woman’s choice. it should be a couples choice. A woman should be required to get the father’s consent before getting an abortion. If she doesnt, then she cant get an abortion any more than a father can force a woman to have an abortion.
if either the mother or the father makes it clear that they want the baby aborted, then they should have no responsibility for child support. If you want a baby and your partner doesnt, he/she shouldnt be held responsible. Likewise, they dont have rights to the child either.
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Posted: Mar 02, 2006 12:45 p.m. - Subject:
The baby isn’t considered a baby until conception. That’s when the sperm gets inside the egg. A sperm is not a baby, and neither is the egg. It’s when the two are put together that there is a baby. I’m not against abortions, and I’m not for it either. It should be the conditions of the pregnancy, like how much money is available, the age of the woman, etc. But I can’t really say anything.
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Posted: Mar 02, 2006 2:04 p.m. - Subject:
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i think its al right, the kids not really a kid, its an unborn fetus.
What about abortions performed in the 5,6,7,8 or 9th month? The babys body is developed meaning every organ is in place- simpler terms: it looks identically human 10-11 weeks into pregnancy. Iam sorry but it is a fact that a human is a human when the spuerm meets the egg- fertilization... its proven. Scientist and others use fancy and confusing terms to cover up abortion and very well know that a baby that is unborn is a human. Remember you might think well it must be ok if the government allows it.. well they will make anything legal they can make tax money off of.
they made it illegal. people got illegal, backalley abortions that had bad results.
It still has to survive through an umbilical cord, it cant breath, it cant do jack shit. It may be technically human, but only technically. people celebrate birthdays. nobody celebrates conception days.
Also, why is the fetus considered a baby when it is born? All that has changed is its location.
and the fact that it no longer has to get food and oxygen through its mother. it is somewaht independent. they cut the unbilical cord, they give it a birth certificate, and they spank it so it cries.
and guess what? Not aborting has been known to cause depression, severe financial problems, guilt, relationship issues, fatness, increased taxes, higher crime, and an overpopulation problem.
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Posted: Mar 02, 2006 6:00 p.m. - Subject:
if both the mother and father choose to not have the kid within the 1st 3 months then they can abort it, if the father is not around to state his voice on it, the mother has full choice, but only up untill 3 month point, if you cant make up your mind if you want to have your kid in 3 months then its a little to late.
like hamsta said, having a kid has had the same effects, not to mention al but brest cancer are phycological, and those can all happen for millions of reasons, and mostly because of poor help from people.
having a kid when you cant suport it because ur not old enough, poor, drug adict, or some other reason causes more harm to the child, family, and our society than them aborting the child befor hand.
if its god you worry about, god gave us the power to kill, he also gave us free choice, it is our choice to do what we want with our life and others lives. telling someone not to do something only makes them want to do it more, letting them do it tends to make it sink in.
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Posted: Mar 02, 2006 6:10 p.m. - Subject:
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and guess what? Not aborting has been known to cause depression, severe financial problems, guilt, relationship issues, fatness, increased taxes, higher crime, and an overpopulation problem.
So does that make abortion right? If you cannot afford or take on the responsibility to have a child dont make one. Simple as that.
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Posted: Mar 02, 2006 6:33 p.m. - Subject:
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so they should still have the kid even when they are 16 with no job, the father skiped town, the mother only has one parent who already works 3 jobs?
or a girl who is raped and gets pregnant? should she be forced to have the child of the man who raped her?
So just because of the problems in your life (not saying getting raped, incest or "unplaned babies" isnt serious), your going to take it out on an innocent life. The baby never did anything, why should it be punished for your mistakes or misfortunes? By the way there is a thing we have called adoption, its not for everbody but its one of the best options.
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Posted: Mar 02, 2006 6:59 p.m. - Subject:
abortion should be illegal exept in the instances of rape, incest or danger to the mother. the unborn fetus is a liveing organism that is a prehuman. a condom prevents the prehuman from forming so that is why useing a condom isnt considered murder (outside of the roman catholic church)
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Posted: Mar 02, 2006 7:07 p.m. - Subject:
All of this fancy talk boils down to one point...
The freedom of a woman to choose what she does with her own body. None of you will EVER have to live with an unplanned, out-of-wedlock baby growing in your stomach.
You will NEVER have to go to your father and tell him that his daughter, his little girl, is pregnant.
You will NEVER have to walk through the hallways at school, and have people stare at your growing belly, wondering if you’re pregnant or not.
You will NEVER have to deal with people calling you a slut.
I know a girl who is pregnant right now, and she has dealt/is dealing with all of this. Most of you have no idea what kind of suffering a teenage mother goes through.
Less than one-third of teens who have babies before the age of 18 finish high school.
Almost half of all teen mothers end up on welfare.
Would you really want your sister/cousin/girlfriend/friend having to deal with this?
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Posted: Mar 02, 2006 7:14 p.m. - Subject:
Who cares.. things die.. they’re gonna die anyways, and they don’t have anything to miss yet, no one is going to miss someone that isn’t born yet. Having children can screw up peoples lives sometimes.. and then in turn their childrens lives get screwed up.. who needs more of that anyways?
You will NEVER have to go to your father and tell him that his daughter, his little girl, is pregnant.
you will NEVER have to go to your parents and tell them that their son, their little boy, is now the unwilling parent of a child he has no rights to.
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You will NEVER have to walk through the hallways at school, and have people stare at your growing belly, wondering if you’re pregnant or not.
You will NEVER have to walk through the hallways at school, and have people talking about how you’re a deadbeat, because some bitch lied about being on the pill. (even a father who pays child support is looked down upon)
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You will NEVER have to deal with people calling you a slut.
You will NEVER have to deal with people calling you an asshole because you got a girl pregnant.
You will NEVER have to deal with paying child support on a baby you didnt want in the first place.
You will NEVER have to deal with having your girlfriend destroy your future baby, no matter how much you view it as a living being.
Basically, as it stands now, if a woman wants to keep it, she keeps it, regardless of what the father says. He is, of course, still legally responsible for teh child, he just doesnt have any rights.
If she wants to abort it, again, she does, regardless of the father’s wishes.
and THEYRE the opressed ones? the ones with no responsibility and unilateral rights in regards to children? in divorce cases, they almost always gain custody. Child support is mandatory, and ruthlessly enforced by the law. Visitation rights, however, are easy to deny, and rarely enforced with any real strength. If the wife may be in danger of losing the custody battle, she can always accuse the husband of hitting her, or raping her. The courts may send him to jail, regardless of evidence, and they certainly wont give a man accused of rape or wife beating custody of children.
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Posted: Mar 02, 2006 7:56 p.m. - Subject:
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no one is going to miss someone that isn’t born yet.
Not true. 30% of all abortions done in the US are regret abortions. There are 1,370,000 abortions done each year in the US (20-30 million a year in the world). That means 411,000 women each year in the US regret they ever had an abortion. Times that by the 38 years its been legal. Since abortion has been legal in the US 15 million women regret they ever had one. Sorry but people do care. One last thing every year between 6-10% abortions are done because of rape, incest, fetal health or the mothers health. To give you the benefit of the doubt 90% of abortions in US each year are because "the mother doesnt want the responsiblility or is not ready".
There are 1,370,000 abortions done each year in the US (20-30 million a year in the world). Times that by the 38 years
k. our already overpopulated country of 300,000,000 would have an extra 52,060,000. even more when you consider that some of thsoe would have kids of their own.
worldwide, that would be nearly one billion extra people over the last 38 years. Plus the ones they would give birth to. Yea, abortion is horrible, huh? I mean, the human race is barely surviving as it is. Why prevent more births?
