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| Posted: Jan 28, 2008 5:38 a.m. - Subject: |
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Quote: Yes, bikes are always a very feul effective mode of transportation. And could you post a link about the guys who figured out how 2 make fire by passing radio waves through salt water?
I don’t remember the exact percentage, but somewhere between 80% to 90% of your energy you use on a bicycle is to overcome wind resistance. That alone points out the lack of efficiency of a bike. Now, figure in mechanical resistance, and how efficient the human body burns "fuel". Remember, the average human can’t generate more than 1/2 horse power.
I’d like to attack THIS:
Quote: I think the scientific community should buckle down on developing an alternative to gas rather than endlessly debating over global warming.
With THIS:
Quote: Gangs rideing motorbikes running on ethanol will terrorize the streets.
Fun Fact:
It’s actually CHEAPER to run a car on E10 (normal gas) than it is to use E85 (85% Ethanol/15% Gasoline Mixture). The reason being is fuel economy drops with E85, to a point where the economy of gasoline outweighs the cost of ethanol.
Problem 2:
Plants to process this, and distribute this are far and few between. Sugarcane yields higher, something that doesn’t grow in many places. Most places use Corn, albeit its decent yield it still is hard to come by, and a full nation switch to that will decimate its supply overnight.
Problem 3:
It’s no where perfected. E85 has been a target of consumers for engine issues, and people are attempting to retrofit engines designed to run GASOLINE to something with a different knock index, different properties, different temperatures, and they’re trying to incorporate it into one system. Gas/Ethanol.
Now on that, BIO-Diesel:
It’s becoming required in the US. Hopefully recycling your neighbors spaghetti will do some good...
You might be right about us running out of oil, but there’s plenty of replacements for most aspects. Gasoline, Transmission Fluid, and other hydraulic, and other lubricating compounds (oil, etc) CAN be replaced generally with pneumatics. The lubricating compounds can be synthesized.
All of the production of Oil, Gas, Diesel come from different parts of the crude oil,. different steps in the refining process. Cutting out the biggest consumer (Gasoline) will leave us with a better supply of oils-derived goods in the mean time. This will allow research on those areas, while we’re all burning corn stalks.
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| Posted: Jan 28, 2008 5:42 a.m. - Subject: |
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Quote: And also, I recently saw online an article about a guy who accidentally discovered how to make fire by passing radio waves through watter with salt.
EXTREMELY unlikely, but plausible.
I have to imagine that the frequency he used isolated the hydrogen from the oxygen, leaving sodium and oxygen as a byproduct and combusting the hydrogen. Might be possible in lab conditions, I doubt it’ll ever be feasible inside of your present gas tank.
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| Posted: Jan 28, 2008 12:00 p.m. - Subject: |
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I meant the use of bicycles for transport.
Quote: but somewhere between 80% to 90% of your energy you use on a bicycle is to overcome wind resistance. That alone points out the lack of efficiency of a bike.
And yet you still see people riding bikes! Meaning that it is possible to ride a bike (no shit). If i can ride my bike to school, then i am using my bike for transport. Which is what other people should do.
Quote: EXTREMELY unlikely, but plausible.
I have to imagine that the frequency he used isolated the hydrogen from the oxygen, leaving sodium and oxygen as a byproduct and combusting the hydrogen. Might be possible in lab conditions, I doubt it’ll ever be feasible inside of your present gas tank.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf4gOS8aoFk
I couldn’t get the link to the article that i had read, but this is basically the same thing.
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| Posted: Jan 28, 2008 3:01 p.m. - Subject: |
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I was just watching something on the History Channel yesterday and it showed how much Oil that we burn and use each day and it was pretty insane.
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| Posted: Jan 28, 2008 3:26 p.m. - Subject: |
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The end of the world wont be caused by fucking oil...
Man kind is his own enemy, and Man kind his his own apocolypse.
We are doomed to die by the very technology we created to protect us and make our life better. The end is near
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| Posted: Jan 28, 2008 3:29 p.m. - Subject: |
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C’mon Restricted, it ain’t that bad, the world was worse many years ago and mankind made it then, why not now?
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| Posted: Jan 28, 2008 3:32 p.m. - Subject: |
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I diddnt mean in the next few (5-10)years. It will be longer than that.
As hard as it is to admit, its true
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| Posted: Jan 28, 2008 3:37 p.m. - Subject: |
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I think new things will come along that will replace the things we use now and we’ll move on to those. The oil crisis won’t matter as we won’t be using it anymore, it’s just gonna take some time to get there.
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| Posted: Jan 28, 2008 5:09 p.m. - Subject: |
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The oil problem wont be what kills us.
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| Posted: Jan 28, 2008 10:36 p.m. - Subject: |
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Not the apocolypse! It could be worse...it could be the apocalypse.
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| Posted: Jan 29, 2008 2:45 p.m. - Subject: |
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...add this on to the recession and fucked up economy, and I can name a country that is in deep trouble.
It just means that society is going to be weened off oil, basically. I’m not saying it’s going to be easy, in fact; many things will have to be completely redone. Just think of how many things in our lives depend on transportation.
It will mark a new age. But it’s not gonna be "boom", now there is no oil. It will run out, but gradually.
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| Posted: Jan 29, 2008 2:57 p.m. - Subject: |
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Quote: C’mon Restricted, it ain’t that bad, the world was worse many years ago and mankind made it then, why not now?
What a horrible, ugly, low way of thinking.
Here is an analogy of what you just said,
"I managed to jump over a hole four feet wide in the past, so I can probably jump over any hole".
Or,
"I’ve beat anyone at poker I’ve played so far, that must mean I can beat probably anyone at it"
It is an incredibly delusional, unrealistically optimistic way of viewing the world. Don’t you see how foolish it is to think that way? Everything has a limit, including the economy, the planet, and society. And and by the way, the American government along with many corporations want you to think that.
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| Posted: Jan 29, 2008 3:13 p.m. - Subject: |
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Quote: It is an incredibly delusional, unrealistically optimistic way of viewing the world.
But it sure beats believing in god. If there were to be a god testing us with all this shit, why try to overcome it then? Do we win eggpoints if we survive?
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| Posted: Jan 30, 2008 5:38 p.m. - Subject: |
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Quote: But it sure beats believing in god. If there were to be a god testing us with all this shit, why try to overcome it then? Do we win eggpoints if we survive?
If (IF)god exists, then he doesn’t affect anything in the world. To me that’s quite clear, and quite obvious that if god exists he definitely is only relevant in the afterlife if there is one.
(I’m agnostic)
Anyways, back on topic, there are serious problems coming up and most people don’t seem to comprehend the gravity of what the situation will be. I believe that 2008 is when we are going to see the beginnings of the shit hitting the fan.
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| Posted: Jan 30, 2008 7:18 p.m. - Subject: What I think.. |
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Okay guys, if you don’t mind im going to step into this debate.
Now you all are ranting on oil and how we shouldn’t use it and how thats how the world will end.. and I have acknowledged the ejections to that theory also.. Now there are so many ways this world can end.
Volcanoes, Tsunamis, a bunch of natural causes. Or religious beliefs can come in and we could all die on Judgement day when the angels pour the bowls down on earth, testing all who deserve to goto heaven or hell, and then a new heaven and earth could be created.
There is a little possibility that the earth could end in fuel problems. But the economy each day is trying different ways to power things. They have flying cars made right now.. and including ethanol and other uncountless resourses that could operate things.
My point is, that say all the oil in the world is ran out and gone, that could take millions of years even if the usage of oil is constantly rising by a huge rate, by the time it would, the world will have most likely found a better more efficiant way. (suchas one person that posted here saying fire was made by radio signals, water and salt. anything could happen that we would never think of now.)
Now there is a BIGGER possibility that the world would end by fighting over oil. There have been speakers of the bible I have got into, that predicts the world will end by the war we are in now. Now do I believe that?? theres a possibility..
GLOBAL WARMING
now someone mentioned it in here and I believe that global warming is the world overreacting at weather changes.. I do believe that it is harmless. Heres my little theory on how "Global Warming" is caused.
The earth is at an orbit, and slowly rotates by itself, and the complete world revolves around the sun. Now,
I believe that the worlds orbit is like a Top. If you spin a top, the bottom of it, (little needle thing.. i hope you guys are following me) starts moving also.. and everything is moving around out of where it was originally put. I believe that the earth is doing that, moving closer to the sun than usual. I also believe that the Ice Age could possibaly be caused by this. Main Point: shouldnt worry about it. (Not saying that Burning tires and spraying Lysol in the streets isnt bad.)
As for the calander thing for the earlier makers of "time" stopping and 2012-13 or whatever.. I really dont think that they would know when the world would end.. and back then people weren’t as smart as us.
MAIN POINT OF THIS POST
I think there are endless ways this world could end.. and that human beings should focus on not how the world would be destroyed.. but being the best of people they can, and making best out of their life they have.
(Please dont make bad responses, this is what I believe and debates are made to share that.)
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| Posted: Jan 30, 2008 7:51 p.m. - Subject: |
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Quote: I believe that 2008 is when we are going to see the beginnings of the shit hitting the fan.
We’re already In 2008. We have seen the world coming to shit since before 2000.
Quote: , moving closer to the sun than usual. I also believe that the Ice Age could possibaly be caused by this.
Sun=Melts ice
wtf?
Oil shortage will not end the world. It will cause a fuckload of problems, but in a few years, society will be fixed in a capitalist way.
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| Posted: Jan 30, 2008 7:59 p.m. - Subject: |
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Garlock I know it’s 2008, what I meant was that the amount of shit hitting the fan is going to make a considerable spike compared to what has already ahppened.
Specifically, the richer countries are now going to experience problems as well as poorer countries, like America and Canada.
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| Posted: Jan 31, 2008 6:13 a.m. - Subject: |
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Seince when is America and Canada poor? As it seems America has been in war for a while and showing no signs of being poor...
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| Posted: Jan 31, 2008 9:37 a.m. - Subject: |
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Whoops, I meant "the richer countries like Canada and America will be affected as well as poorer countries".
My bad, thanks for pointing that out. Hehe, poorer countries like America and Canada...*smacks head*
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| Posted: Jan 31, 2008 9:45 a.m. - Subject: |
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Sun=Melts ice
wtf?
I mean that the earth can also move closer and farther away from the sun. and at the period we are in now.. the "top" (earth) is closer to it. when the ice age happened i believe the "top" was farther away.
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